September 11, 2007

iPhone iPod Shuffle and Random, and a Real On-the-Go Playlist Bug

It turns out my stupid iPhone iPod random play order problem is part legitimate bug, part user interface design issue, and I guess part user stupidity as well.

Earlier iPods have "shuffle" as a mode of operation: If it is on, tracks play in random order until you turn shuffle mode off from a preferences screen. Newer iPods also allow you to "shuffle" playlists as an action: While viewing a list, you can select to the "Shuffle" item at the bottom of the list and it would start playing the list in a shuffled order. Both methods are mostly out of the way, so they are difficult to select by accident. If either is active, the Now Playing screen has a shuffle icon at the top. Earlier iPods also have "repeat" as a mode, with a similar icon (though no "play this as repeated" action on a playlist).

The iPhone iPod application also has "shuffle" and "repeat" modes, as well as an explicit "shuffle" action on lists. However, the method to activate them is more subtle, and the icons that indicate you are in shuffle or repeat mode are not always on the screen. In fact, the icons and the buttons to turn on these modes are the same thing. To turn these modes on or off, or to see if the modes are on or off, tap the album art on the Now Playing screen to bring up the "scrubber" (the position indicator/widget). The repeat indicator/button is to the left of the scrubber, and the shuffle indicator/button is to the right.

The iPhone iPod 'Now Playing' screen, with 'scrubber' panel hidden.

The iPhone iPod 'Now Playing' screen 'scrubber' panel, with repeat and shuffle button-indicators turned off.

The iPhone iPod 'Now Playing' screen 'scrubber' panel, with repeat and shuffle button-indicators turned on.

There are several problems with this:

  • For both shuffle and repeat, the indicator and the button are the same thing. The iPhone UI uses "everything is touchable" to save space, and it works in most cases. The convention isn't a complete failure here, except that the icons don't look particularly button-like. I've seen the scrubber dozens of times and never noticed these buttons were there.
  • The shuffle and repeat button/indicators are not visible in the normal mode of operation. You have to bring up the panel explicitly to check or change the status of these modes.
  • The shuffle and repeat button/indicators are not in an intuitive location. The main thing that comes up when you tap on the Now Playing screen is the track position indicator/widget, which describes the track being played. Shuffle and repeat are properties of the play order, and I would not expect to be able to affect the play order in the same UI mode as rewinding or fast-forwarding the track. The previous-track and next-track buttons are on the panel at the bottom of the screen, which is always visible.
  • The only difference between the "on" and "off" states for the shuffle and repeat indicator/buttons is the foreground color. The color is consistent with other conventions in the phone UI: The Edit/Done button in an editable list, for example, is blue (as opposed to, uh, grey-blue) when in edit mode. But combined with the fact that they don't look like buttons, it's difficult to notice that the icon color represents a mode state.

I'm willing to admit that my not knowing they were there could also be simple cluelessness on my part. It did occur to me that the iPhone iPod might have modal shuffle, but I only knew to check the iPod app settings, which is where the mode selector was on older iPods. Without guidance from someone else, I would never have found the buttons on the pop-up panel with the scrubber.

Now that I know that I had shuffle mode on all this time, that also helps me narrow my On-the-Go playlist problem: When shuffle mode is on, under certain circumstances possibly related to my music files, On-the-Go playlists jump to random tracks on the iPhone, not just to shuffled tracks in the playlist. I'm still trying to figure out what those circumstances are. Thankfully, it's an easy to work around, since I never need to shuffle my OtG playlists.

comments...

thanks very much for this post! I couldn't fgure out why i was stuck in repeat mode!

Amazing This post saved my life, I recently purchased an iphone two wks ago. For the past week and a half, all my songs have been repeating. I had to always manually switch each song.annoying Thanks a lot.

Awesome post! this repeat lark was driving me nuts,especially in the gym.

Thanks - I was stuck in shuffle mode & didn't know why!

THANK YOU FOR POSTING!

This is exactly what I was looking for and it ended a frustration I've had for the past week. It did take me a few minutes to realize that when you say "tap the album art on the Now Playing screen" you meant the large picture that fills the very center of the iPod screen...I guess I was not only frustrated but also tired. Thanks.

Thanks alot from me too. I posted this thread in several german iphone-blog, but no one had an answer to my problem. Since 10 minutes my iphone ipod insn`t stuck in the repeat mode anymore. YEAH!!!! Thanks!

thanks. big thanks;many thanks. yay

Thanks a ton, you are a life saver.....my iphone was stuck playing a single song in repeat mode since yesterday....thank you again.

omg, I was going crazy. A friend's wife had turned on shuffle when she was playing with it. Took me three days to figure this out!! Thank you, thank you, thank you!

it's not just you, obviously. thanks.

THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!! I was getting so frustrated and annoyed of hearing the same song over and over and OVER again! Thanks so much!

HURRAH! thanks very much for this, I didn't really mind the songs shuffling so much. But when I ripped an audiobook CD I got for christmas it didn't make the story very good. Cheers.

thanks a lot! At least i now know im not the only one lol thanks a million! I too was stuck having to manually forwarding to the next song... It was very annoying and so easy to fix but really ... Who wants to listen to the same song over and over again? We shouldn't even have that feature LOL

Glad I came across this as the shuffle issue has been killing me when listening to playlists...however, for the life of me I cannot find how to get the scrubber to come up on my phone. I've checked in settings and still nothing - is it possible I have a defective phone?

To bring up the scrubber, tap the middle of the screen while in iPod mode. (In other words, tap the album art.) The scrubber will appear at the top of the screen.

That was annoying the crap out of me. I remember seeing that, but then it just wasn't appearing anymore. I love Jimi's, "Here my train a comin", but I quickly found out that even that can be played out. Good looking out!! Sincere thanks.

OMG GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. I got my Iphone for christmas and it has been wrecking my head why it has been doing this. U are a total life saver !!! xoxoxo

Another iphone user has found this very useful. My player was stuck on shuffle. I like listening to my LP's in order and it was driving me nuts. I'm a geek and could not find this config option anywhere. Thanks a bunch! Smitty

Thanks!!!!! I've been trying to figure out how to stop the shuffle problem, and it's been driving me crazy. now i'm back to normal!!!!

Hey man, thank you very much - I was just about starting the "I am getting really angry mode" as I found you post via google!
Thank you very much!

:) Helped a great deal. I have some short lists that I like to repeat and had not yet found the repeat button. Just have to touch it in the right place! LOL

Thanks for your help on this. I was stuck on repeat, and about to throw my iPhone out the window.

Yeah, this is non-obvious. But, knowing is half the battle.

thank you, thank you, thank you. I've been trying to figure out how to scrub my way through a one hour podcast to get back to where I left off after accidentally hitting the back button. Personally, the volume slider seems unnecessary since there are physical buttons on the side, and would be the logical place for the scrubber, along with your suggested repeat and shuffle buttons.

great post, i would have NEVER found this on my own

Excellent! I also was about to go slog through the apple boards when I found this. Thanks! Additional iPhone UI rants can be found here: www.kweebo.com. Thanks Again!

OMG THANK YOU SO MUCH.
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Wow, end of Feb08 and this is still happening. I was stuck on shuffle for ten days. I tried the obvious shuffle button on the play list to no avail.

I have Chinese language lessons on there in a another playlist so it was really annoying to have "lesson 3b" randomly inserted in my play list!

Thanks for saving my insanity....


THANK YOU SO MUCH! I was sooo frustrated!!!!!

nice one dude!

again, thank you for your post.

This was driving me crazy. Thanks so much for the info!! No more shuffle..woo hoo...

when you say "tap the album art on the Now Playing screen" you meant the large picture that fills the very center of the iPod screen....

Thank so much Pete, i finally understood!!!

thankss alot i just wanted my songs to play normally and i kept looking @ website how do i stop shuffle and this was the only one that act. worked thankks soo much!

pe@ce

God bless you! I had had enough, and typed "how do i stop shuffle ipod iphone" into Google, and found this! SO nice to know I'm not the only guy going crazy in shuffle hell! More importantly, THANKS!!!

Thank you... running with my iPhone has been a nightmare.

Gosh, THANKS!!!! ... also from bella Italia!
I litterally got to know that same song repeted over and over and over... by heart, could even tell you what the singer was thinking of when singing... GRAZIE!

THANK YOU! I was about to beat my children for unitantionally turning this feature on.
I like my list in the order I selected!

Thanks. This was very helpful as I was listening to a book tape in the shuffle mode. Which took a minute or so to actually fiure out. Made for an interesting story line! Glad your info came up on an Internet search.

Wow, this post is the gift that keeps on giving. Add me to the list of people whose sanity you've saved over the past seven months. Thanks for the post!

This was exactly what i was looking for. The 1st site that i came across so far.. THANK YOU the repeat was making me pretty mad.

Thanks again!!

Thanks for the post. Now I can listen to an 'album' the way it was meant to be heard. song one through song ten. I know...I'm showing my age.
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thanks for taking the time to write this up - its been driving me bonkers for weeks now!

thanks!

Is this the genius bar? Where's the tip jar??

Yea, i feel like a tard now. My songs have been on shuffle for the past 3 weeks and it's been frustrating. I couldn't figure out how to get it off... i was looking under settings! So simple.. So... stupid!

THANK YOU! I was starting to think my iphone was broken. I feel kind of stupid but seeing how many folks made the same mistake, I'm not feeling so dumb after all. Now if only I can make the speaker phone loud enough to actually use!

You are a life saver. I was going crazy. You deserve a medal

thanks a million this is why I love the internet:-)

THANK YOU SO MUCH!!! I had been really enjoying listening to stuff that I haven't heard for years in shuffle mode. Then my iPhone got itself stuck on repeat. It was ruining my whole listening experience.

THANK YOU - HAVE A REALLY WONDERFUL WEEKEND XxX

bravo!
Thanks a million

Your a STAR!!!!!!

Thank you.

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