February 25, 2002

Today I'm all about digital pianos. Dare you to guess why.

While I was never very good at the piano, I took it fairly seriously through junior high and high school. I made a hobby out of visiting piano stores and pretending to be seriously interested in buying one, wasting countless hours of piano salesman hours. I was particularly obsessed with the potential of digital pianos, which offered the keyboard action and sampled sound of a grand piano with the privacy of headphones and multi-instrument capabilities of other musical keyboards (much like the tiny little toy Casio keyboards most of us had at one point-- rhumba beat!-- but on a much grander scale). Eventually, high-end digital pianos were elaborate enough to create reasonable simulations of large orchestrations in a wide variety of genres and styles, for the novice with auto-accompaniment, or for advanced recording musicians and composers with computer sequencing equipment and software. Modern day digital pianos are so sophisticated that the technology on which they're based threatens the use of genuine instruments in areas with tight production budgets, such as television incidental music. (I was worried for TV for a while, but nowadays it seems the better producers still see the value in hiring an ensemble of musicians over hiring just the one with the fancy equipment, at least for the title themes.)

I repeatedly considered getting a digital piano through college, acoustic pianos being essentially not an option for dorm or apartment use. Of course, I couldn't afford even the cheaper models while I was a student. Having managed some success as a software engineer in the last few years, however, I decided to reinitiate my quest, this time with an intent to buy. The digital piano world has advanced greatly since I was in high school. Even the less expensive models are considered by many to have action as good or better than an acoustic upright piano, especially with regard to speed, the ability to play an already-played note without bringing the key all the way up to its original position. The sampled sounds are fantastic; digital pianos have had great piano sounds for a while, but in many cases other instruments have caught up; even difficult-to-reproduce instruments now have satisfying equivalents.

After several trips to piano stores over the course of the last year, I concurred with general consensus on the Internet that pretty much the best all-in-one non-stage-style pianos are the Yamaha Clavinova series, specifically the CVP line. The latest series (the 201, 203, 205, 207 and 209) came out just last year, leaving the previous series (101, 103, 105, 107 and 109) on the clearance market. They're cleverly priced such that the 207 is the most cost-effective, feature-wise, and anyone who has played a 207 swears the feature differences between it and lower models make a huge difference. I know I do.

While considering the CVP's, I was pleased to discover the CVP User's Group, a club of over 800 people worldwide that trade purchasing advice and operating tips on Clavinovas. Especially nice is the CVP FAQ, which is far more up to date than the somewhat stale rec.music.makers.piano FAQs. Wally does an excellent job of keeping the group active and interesting. (See also the rec.music.makers.piano group, which still has a few signs of life.)

Half the conversation on the CVPUG mailing list is about pricing. Dealers in the United States have a reputation for being the most expensive way to acquire Clavinovas thanks in part to exclusive dealership contracts with Yamaha that restrict dealers to sell only in their service area in exchange for a monopoly (for Yamaha pianos) in that area. Even after negotiated discounts (talked down from sticker price like you would a car), US prices are very high compared to prices in Canada or overseas. A CVP-207's sticker price in a US store is around $7500. Given the newness of the 200's, a typical dealer might not be willing to go any lower than $6000, though CVPUG reports a Philadelphia dealer that goes as low as $4600. A Calgary (Canada) dealer is reported to be selling for $4600 US as well, but buying outside the States means no warranty. Some don't consider the warranty a big issue; as long as you get the piano home in one piece, they rarely break, and do-it-yourselfers can buy a service manual for $40. Particularly disappointing right now is the price of the older 100 series; only floor models are available, but they're still priced to push the new ones. When the 100's clear out, the post-negotiation price of the 200's will probably drop, probably about a year from now.

The cheapest option is to buy from overseas. Piano Depot in Belgium sells CVP-207's for under $3000, plus $700 shipping and import fees. (The thing is 200 lbs, I'd expect it to be difficult to get across the pond.) Given the incredible hassle of returning a piano if it arrives busted, breaching a communication barrier, and other risks associated with sending thousands of dollars over a web site, dealer communication is a big deal, and I wouldn't have even considered this option if Piano Depot didn't try so hard to have a good, active relationship with the CVPUG. Musician's Gear, in Germany, is another favorite (though you may have to pick up your piano at the airport). CVPUG'ers report success with buying from overseas, though you also have to worry about power converters (usually included with the piano by these dealers) and minor differences between US and non-US models. Subscribers to the group can access a small database of purchase experience stories.

My local dealer, of course, had a few "horror stories" in his back pocket about buying from overseas. Such a transaction is certainly not for the faint of heart or for anyone who might need assistance using their piano. Despite all the discussed advantages and disadvantages of buying from a local dealer, the biggest advantage for the local dealer for me is the ability to trade up to newer models practically at my first purchase price. While acoustic pianos can be usable and servicable for over a century, digital pianos are far more computer than they are piano and as such could become unservicable in 15-20 years. While I'm sure I could get something for a trade-in of an overseas model, buying from and trading in to the same dealer earns a much better price.

So, did I buy one or didn't I? Would I spend seven paragraphs on the subject if I didn't? (Well, probably... :) My locally purchased CVP-207 arrives tomorrow. I spent hours at the dealership playing with the thing yesterday, it's an amazing machine. No doubt I'll be mentioning it repeatedly at least for the next few months.

comments...

Well, I hope I'm not the only one who expects an eventual composition outta you posted here someday soon.

Argh... arrives *Thursday*...

Congrats, Dan! I, too, dream of learning piano someday.



To help inspire you, I can burn a few copies of the best jazz CDs at the station. I already have a copy of "Ella Fitzgerald sings the Cole Porter Songbook" for you. Any other requests?

That's awesome. We have a digital piano -- it was my husband's first, I'm actually not sure what type it is (and I'm too lazy to go downstairs and check), but it's great. One of the chief advantages for me is that it doesn't need tuning and has helped me immensely (just through osmosis) with my sense of pitch. I think I screwed up my ear back when I learning to play on an old piano that we never had tuned when I was a kid.



Anyway, enjoy!

Greetings from Belgium !



Thank you for mentioning us in this article. We appreciate it if other people agree that we do a lot of efforts to satisfy (potential) customers.



Regards,



Lieven

Pianodepot.com Sales Rep.

Excellent article, Dan. I've been trying out the digitals, and I agree that the CVP-207 is awesome. Although, I have to add that the Disklavier DGT2IIXG has BETTER key action and sound. It was placed near a Yamaha 9 foot acoustic at the dealer, so I could go back and forth between the two. The similiarity in the key action, the feel, and the sound was frightening. It blows the CVP-207 away, BUT (and this is a big but) ... the DGT2IIXG lacks all of the bells and whistles (only a 2 track sequencer, very limited user interface, none of the pre-recorded song accompaniments). For that reason, I think I'd like to go with the CVP-207.



Sooo ... can you tell us just who is that "Philadelphia dealer that goes as low as $4600" on the CVP-207s? That blasts the best local quote I've gotten (so far), which is $7200. I'll buy ya a Phili cheese steak if you tell me!! :)

Recently, I purchased a Clavinova model CVP203. I waited 15yrs. for this moment. Like you every year I would go and try them out and every year they seem to improve, but too expensive for my pocketbook. It took along time to save but this year was the year. It's being delivered this week. I can't sleep I'm so excited. The sound is great and for me its enough piano. I don't consider myself an accomplished pianist but have played (for my own enjoyment) since I was 5. I looked at the more expensive models but the only difference is more electronics and maybe a little better sound.

Now that I own one maybe someday I'll trade up. All in all its alot better that the upright!



Pat

have fun guys...

have you check the new pf1000 which is cvp205 in portable jacket (polyphony 96), and pf500 which is clp-150 baby (polyphony 128)?

sampling is the same.

as a piano lover on touch and sound, but welcome the pop sounds, I'm worried of the 64+32xg polyphony of pf1000,for faster pieces or duet.

Maybe the 207 still better. I was looking for 970 or 990 but nobody wants to sell them.

good luck

nc

We are considering a CVP203 for our daughter for Christmas. Don't know much about this so we don't know a good deal when we get one! Would LOVE for someone to tell me if $3800.00 is a good deal for not!! Need help fast! Thanks!! Brenda

HELLO.

I AM INTERESTING TO BUY A YAMAHA CVP-205 or CVP-207,



with a low price.



WHERE SALE A CVP-205 OR 207 WITH A LOW PRICE???.

THANKS.